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Post by Nitemarebeast on Jan 4, 2011 20:40:23 GMT -5
Nine element invocation, is a very hard but useful type and style of magyck. the point there off is to create flexibility within yourself and your surroundings. The Nine Elements are as follows. With these elements their is allot that can be done with them. FIRE WATER EARTH WIND LIGHTNING/THUNDER(referenced as either) METAL ICE LIGHT SHADOW/DARK Now each of these can be invoked by them selfs for various spells and rituals. But when combined if done properly can add allot of power to the spell. But be mindful of the spell and combination that is being done. In near future i will place spells and rituals with the elemental combinations within this thread.
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Post by Nitemarebeast on Jan 4, 2011 20:51:10 GMT -5
A good example of a spell combination that would be bad is as follows. A candle for fire A candle for water A candle for thunder
Light each candle one by one according to the following chant. i light a path for fire to find me I light a candle for water to find me I light a candle for thunder to find me With the three i call to thee To strengthen and to bind he who harms and spits venom with their words i call the thee to help me bind them so harm is not done Burns their plans and wash away their hate And shock away desires for harm.
EPIC FAIL. EACH OF THESE ELEMENTS CLASH , OPPOSITE AREAS AND WILL AND TEND TO DURING SPELLS CANCEL EACH OTHER.
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Post by Derrick on Jan 4, 2011 22:49:53 GMT -5
Continue to post your articles on Nine Element Magick here Nitemare Beast. Once there is more material here I'll do up a large post in the board I created under the spell section, specifically for Nine Elemental Magicks.
Perhaps you can give some examples of good combination of above elements, or explain in more detail why some elemental combination clash more then others.
~Derrick
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Post by Nitemarebeast on Jan 5, 2011 20:28:10 GMT -5
A good example of a spell combination that would be bad is as follows. A candle for fire A candle for water A candle for thunder Light each candle one by one according to the following chant. i light a path for fire to find me I light a candle for water to find me I light a candle for thunder to find me With the three i call to thee To strengthen and to bind he who harms and spits venom with their words i call the thee to help me bind them so harm is not done Burns their plans and wash away their hate And shock away desires for harm. EPIC FAIL. EACH OF THESE ELEMENTS CLASH , OPPOSITE AREAS AND WILL AND TEND TO DURING SPELLS CANCEL EACH OTHER. Now reason for is very simple each element has an opposite. there are times when this energy would be most useful but for basic spell work it will not allow you very much. An example of this would be the following clashing elements. as a side note there are elements that can amplify each other will list them next. CLASHING ELEMENTS( these elements cancel each other) FIRE - WATER LIGHTNING/THUNDER- EARTH ICE- AIR Light- Dark METAL is a very odd element for it does not really clash with any element but can synergies with most of them. making it a very flexible element. ELEMENTS THAT SYNERGIES IN VARIOUS COMBINATIONS FIRE-METAL FIRE-WIND LIGHTNING-METAL WIND-WATER WATER-EARTH ICE-WATER LIGHTNING-WATER LIGHT-METAL SHADOW-METAL LIGHT-DARK( these two elements have a very complex nature and if spell is done wrong they wont lend spell there power. But if done right they will make the spell slightly stronger)
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Post by Derrick on Jan 5, 2011 23:56:05 GMT -5
Your really going to have to go into detail on a lot of these ideas. Please continue to post more information here on Nine Element Magick.
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Post by Nitemarebeast on Jan 7, 2011 12:23:20 GMT -5
((yeah i know i need allot more posts just i cant get on allot))
Now elemental synergism happens when you invoke to elements that are aligned with one another. This makes using the spell allot simpler. While if opposing elements are invokes it can cancel the what your intentions are and change or stop your spell/ritual. Also the only way to create a synergistic effect and strengthen the elements you summon is to ask both elements for the same amount of energy. an example of this follows.
materials = Blue candle/Water yellow candle/ thunder and silver candle/ metal Metal is a safe third element due to its nature and harmonizing with any element. Light or shadow could be used as well. Due to they are withing everything and yet exist on there own. as the following spell decrees light the candle starting with metal then due water or lightning as you prefer.
I call to you metal and light this candle in your name. I ask of you to be a conduit for this spell. To act as a battery to contain the energies needed till they need be released.
I call to you water and i light this candle in your name. I ask of you to wash and cleanse my spell. I ask of you to allow me to use a small fragment of your power.
I call to you lightning and light this candle in your name. I ask of thee to charge my spell so it be strong. I ask of thee lightning that i may borrow a fragment of your power.
Water and lightning i thank thee for this offering.
(( any spell that deals with change((emotional, personal)), changling luck, any hex that deals with loss or making a person lose things, spell to find lost items.))
then after you are done thank each element and then put out lightning and water(place covers on them both so they go out around the same time)
Then face the silver candle and repeat. Metal i thank you for bieng a conduit for my spell and i realase you and may with your guidence the spell find its home.
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Post by Nitemarebeast on Jan 7, 2011 12:34:21 GMT -5
As stated earlier elements can synergize. Elemental combination that reach three or four elements may synergize as well if done properly. An example would be to call fire then wind then water then lightning then call earth.
now these elements synergize with the element to out right of them. As for earth and fire they are elements that neither synergize nor clash which is perfect. using this combination will create in best terms possible a small increase in energy to allow you a chance to use a spell requiring more energy then you posses normal. or do not have stored within a crystal or gem.
Many combinations exist depending on what the elements nature is. And from what i have found several ones that were written down have been lost in fires or due to never being but on new scrolls or papyrus. Now reason some elements slash is due to the affinity they posses. Fire is an element of passion or hate, while water is calm and serene. Lightning/thunder both are elements of ambition joy((being energetic)) while earth is considered slow, unmovable strong. ice is cold, calculating element while air is rambatuos happy, carefree.
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Post by Nitemarebeast on Jan 7, 2011 12:37:08 GMT -5
Light and dark best way to explain their relationship is with a small bit of science.
You turn a flashlight on in a dark corner but the shadows disappear, but if an object is in front of the light the shadows behind the object become all the darker. Using this principle can explain their relationship. If balanced they can be very powerful allies in spell weaving but if not they will not help at all.
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Post by wickiwoman on Jan 8, 2011 3:26:08 GMT -5
I am really enjoying this. Would you be open to allowing others to post the information they have of each of the elements? I love learning more about the elements and I think I have some good information on the subject so far and would like to help in joining our information. Let me know. Talk to ya later.
Lady Destiny
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Post by Derrick on Jan 8, 2011 12:47:59 GMT -5
If I said that each everyone of these nine elements could be put under one of the 4 primary elements, how would you counter my argument?
Fire is Fire Water is liquid Water Wind is Air Earth is Earth Metal is Earth Shadow and Light are irrelevant since they are protons and not an energy or magick system of their own Ice is frozen Water Thunder is the sonic boom of Lightning, both the sound of thunder and the charged particles that create lightning are Air
prove me wrong?
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Post by wickiwoman on Jan 8, 2011 13:43:43 GMT -5
If I said that each everyone of these nine elements could be put under one of the 4 primary elements, how would you counter my argument? Fire is Fire Water is liquid Water Wind is Air Earth is Earth Metal is Earth Shadow and Light are irrelevant since they are protons and not an energy or magick system of their own Ice is frozen Water Thunder is the sonic boom of Lightning, both the sound of thunder and the charged particles that create lightning are Air prove me wrong? It is not really a matter of proving someone right or wrong it is a matter of (at least to me) that many different religious paths within and outside of paganism have different sets of elements and they all have different meanings depending on the path you follow. Some have 4, 5, 6 or 9 nine elements and that is what I have found thus far. Sure you can say they are all connected even the 4 basic elements can be argued to be so connected that there really is only one element. That should not be what we are about here. Dismissing other peoples beliefs or thoughts on subjects just sounds like we are not open minded, when I know we are. I think really the more open minded approach on this is to learn and acknowledge that other people see the elements in different ways and they represent different things for other paths. Honestly I am finding this all very interesting and look forward to learning more and finding more paths that have more different views then I have on the elements.
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Post by Derrick on Jan 8, 2011 19:41:43 GMT -5
I personally, don't see it.
7 of the nine actually fall under four elements. The Light and Shadow reminds me of something out of a final fantasy game.
Honestly. That's my initial impression. I've never heard of the nine elemental magick system and I find the list to be similar to that of a list of elemental spells from popular fantasy genre video games.
As you said Wickiwoman, to each their own.
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Post by Nitemarebeast on Jan 8, 2011 21:51:31 GMT -5
Ice can exist without water many things in this world can be frozen in ice or become ice not just water. ' You can heat a rock as much as you want but never get any metal from it unless its already there Lightning is an element that is like flame in its destruction yet is free moving like the wind it is neither yet both for it is its own.
Also if you refer to magyck systems then why is it that angels and demons are both connected to light and dark if neither are elements? Also if you look up dragon magycks there is a dragon of light and a dragon of shadows
And several magyck stems even 4 element styles have ice and lightning spells and a few have spells dealing with metal
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Post by Ghosthaunter on Jan 9, 2011 2:57:08 GMT -5
Well, the 'magic' of light is that it has a constant speed, no mather how fast you are moving in comparing with the light.
I think that the system of light and shadow is just a different way for saying good and evil. But since those 2 things are like time (different for everyone) it's kinda... irregular
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Post by wickiwoman on Jan 9, 2011 16:12:53 GMT -5
I understand and see where you are coming from Night. I am enjoying this so far so please keep posting the info or share it with me through messages. I am a collector of all walks of faiths views on the elements and have been adding yours to my computer BOS. I think that being open minded to such things is the way to go rather then dismissing it because you can understand it or see it.
I get enough of that from other religions around me. People dismissing my religion just because it doesn't add up to them and they can argue it. Well honestly everything can be argued and have many ways to see them. Practicing tolerance and acceptance towards all walks of life, especially among others that are like minded is what we should be doing here. So I encourage you to share more Night. I look forward to what you might have to offer.
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Post by Nitemarebeast on Jan 9, 2011 18:32:07 GMT -5
i certainly will continue to post. If but for me to stand tall in my beliefs right?
Anyways another concept of nine style magycks is the concept behind balnce.
If you look at the nine elements i can name one place where all nine exsist. Within us each of the nine have there traits and differences but they each of a part of themselfs in us. Our bodies have lightning, water,metal,earth(minerals), air, coursing through us. as for ice,fire light and dark they taint our our souls with fragments of who they are. think about it fire in some form heats us and yet our body cools itself when it over heats(ice) light and dark are constraints of yin and yang good evil niether or both, they are in a sort the forces that continue to oversee the balcne between the elements.
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Post by Sercee on Jan 10, 2011 16:03:30 GMT -5
Hi, just thought I'd weigh in here... hope I don't offend more than necessary. "I think that being open minded to such things is the way to go rather then dismissing it because you can understand it or see it. " I don't think Derrick was dismissing anything. By asking you to prove it he was asking you to provide thought out debate to give more information about your system. If you were mentoring a student and they asked you, how would you explain it to them? If a friend were confused? If a fundamental Wiccan or Satanist or Druid etc asked? It was a request for intelligent discussion. "Ice can exist without water. many things in this world can be frozen in ice or become ice not just water. '" No. (Edit: unless you treat it as an aspect of restraint or some other cooling trait rather than a physical element) "You can heat a rock as much as you want but never get any metal from it unless its already there." Metal is borne with the rocks, it IS rock, but not all rock is Metal. Metal, among others further down this list, I don't see as its own element (especially as I am a Geology student) but as a combination of elements: Metal is formed by fire, and bound in earth. (Edit: and quenched in water). "Lightning is an element that is like flame in its destruction yet is free moving like the wind it is neither yet both for it is its own." No. Lightning is never free moving, it only seems that way in its seeming unpredictability. It is bound to pathways between the atmosphere and the earth. But electricity is a subset of fire, and lightning comes with storms, so by personal interpretation it's either fire/water or fire/air (typically the first). "Also if you refer to magyck systems then why is it that angels and demons are both connected to light and dark if neither are elements?" Light and dark are not elements but illumination settings: how is a landscape seen? The same forest has very different aspects in the day than at night. Angels and Demons (this is my perspective, not a Christian or whatever) are embodiments of good and evil motivations or intentions. Good is associated with light, and evil is associated with dark. Therefore, these magic systems use Angels and Demons/Light and Dark not as elements but as a type of morality, purity, or chosen way of perception. "Also if you look up dragon magycks there is a dragon of light and a dragon of shadows." Be careful here. Dragons and their magics are very different from the other elements described. Dragons are a part of a different realm of existence with different rules, but the same applies as with the angels/demons above. Also, if you're referring to fantasy based dragons, there are different levels of credibility involved. "And several magyck stems even 4 element styles have ice and lightning spells and a few have spells dealing with metal." See above. You can deal with these in spells, and associate with them, but remember that by themselves they aren't their own element. They are a combination of elements and seasons. Does that help clarify anything?
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Post by wickiwoman on Jan 10, 2011 18:47:10 GMT -5
I was not accusing anyone of anything nor did I say any names I was saying in a general sense. I was just saying in general that it can come across when you say something like prove me wrong it can appear that we are dismissing another point of view. Read my post again I also said "Dismissing other peoples beliefs or thoughts on subjects just sounds like we are not open minded, when I know we are." So again I was not saying he was dismissing anything but that it can appear that way with how he was posing his point and question.
Just clearing things up here since I was called out and my words taken the wrong way.
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Post by Sercee on Jan 10, 2011 20:45:50 GMT -5
I wasn't calling anyone out, and I didn't take your words the wrong way. It seemed Nitemarebeast was getting defensive and/or not understanding what was being asked of him, and you brought up a valid point that could be taken a few ways. So I used it to explain my observation.
Anyway, those are just my interpretations, as valid as anyone else's.
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Post by Nitemarebeast on Jan 10, 2011 20:55:38 GMT -5
Hmm seems i was bieng a bit defensive and i am sorry about that i guess i should have explained it a little better eh? Now is regards to the nine elements alchemy calls them the nine for the where and are the urest forms of energy. My stand poitn is all nine came to be at the same time. And the element wheel is sumthing akin to what follows.
earth-metal-Fire- lightning-air-ice-water
Light and dark are in alchmecal terms the duel natures of everything And are considered the first elements. The yin and yang of everything. They in some aspects are believed to be the first forces they are called light and dark but to better understand them some call them choas and order
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